ASSJ in the Cell Games?

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ASSJ in the Cell Games?
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+ Kaboom	May 29 2014, 12:16 AM Post #16
Posts: 1,927 Group: Elite Member Member #9,984 Joined: August 24, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga One Punch Man	I personally think that the capacity for Grade 2 and 3 disappears when one masters Super Saiyan, and is replaced with the capacity for a proper Super Saiyan 2 instead. In my eyes, it's all the same power being tapped into. Goku decided that excessively forcing more power into Super Saiyan came with too many disadvantages. I figure that with a mastered Super Saiyan it's possibly easier to not only conserve energy, but to better put more energy into your attacks ("amplification," if you will) and make them just as effective as if you'd powered up your starting level through Grade 2. Like, a mastered Super Saiyan can start at 50 and charge up an attack to 150 in 3 seconds and lose only 5 points of energy firing it. Meanwhile a Grade 2 starts at 75, takes 5 seconds to charge an attack to 150, and loses 15 energy from firing it. Something like that.



+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	May 29 2014, 12:16 AM Post #17
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Clearin May 28 2014, 09:20 PM ThePrinceOfSaiyajins May 28 2014, 09:01 PM Clearin May 28 2014, 08:35 PM Personally I think ASSj is a bit slower than SSj. The Daizenshuu say otherwise. I honestly don't know why they didn't use it. I don't follow the Daizenshuu, or any guidebook. Good for you, but even if their speed was slightly inferior to their SSJ form, they'd still rip the Cell Juniors a new one. There's problems regardless of whether or not you follow the Daizenshuu. Edited by ThePrinceOfSaiyans, May 29 2014, 12:18 AM.
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+ Clearin	May 29 2014, 12:22 AM Post #18
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	ThePrinceOfSaiyajins May 29 2014, 12:16 AM Clearin May 28 2014, 09:20 PM ThePrinceOfSaiyajins May 28 2014, 09:01 PM Clearin May 28 2014, 08:35 PM Personally I think ASSj is a bit slower than SSj. The Daizenshuu say otherwise. I honestly don't know why they didn't use it. I don't follow the Daizenshuu, or any guidebook. Good for you, but even if their speed was slightly inferior to their SSJ form, they'd still rip the Cell Juniors a new one. There's problems regardless of whether or not you follow the Daizenshuu. I didn't say anything about Vegeta/Trunks ability to defeat Cell Jr's in ASSj, I merely pointed out my opinion on speed issue of ASSj.



+ miguelnuva	Jun 1 2014, 05:23 AM Post #19
Posts: 4,068 Group: Elite Member Member #8,291 Joined: September 16, 2012 Favourite Anime DragonBall Z What Browser do you use? FireFox Favourite Manga Sailor Moon	Wasn't ASSJ said to increase speed in the anime? I know Krillen said it does in the dub. I don't know why Vegeta and Trunks didn't use the form but I believe MSSJ conditions the body to allow the USSJ forms power into base so that your fighting at the SSJ form's full power while being a normal SSJ. Thus the term Full Power Super Saiyan.
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PG14	Jun 1 2014, 08:06 AM Post #20
Posts: 101 Group: Member Member #11,256 Joined: April 24, 2014 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Favourite Manga Don't have any	Father Brofist May 28 2014, 08:30 PM Gohan probably doesn't know how to use the form and Goku had no reason to use it. He was never planning on beating Cell in the first place and by the time he might need it (such as the Cell Juniors) he was probably too weak to even get the form done. Now as for Trunks and Vegeta, nothing should've stopped them. They were just barely holding their own against the Cell Juniors, they should've just popped right into ASSJ (and Trunks had no problem popping into ASSJ against Semi-Cell) and just kicked the crap out of them in an instant. Wouldn't have done much against Cell but they could at least get some of the pressure of their back. ASSJ is faster than SSJ/MSSJ...Vegeta was making a mockery out of a Full Powered Semi-Cell who couldn't even keep up with Vegeta. And it was greatly implied that Semi-Cell was stronger than SSJ Vegeta. If ASSJ was only stronger, Cell would have at the very least been dodging the attacks. It certainly doesn't use up too much energy either when Vegeta can fight all the while in ASSJ without breaking a sweat, bust out a huge Final Flash and still have energy to keep attacking as well. The only thing that the ASSJ had less of was stamina and strain and that again was barely noticeable, certainly nothing like SSJ3 and mind you, if you could get the job with SSJ3, you would do that, you wouldn't keep fighting as an SSJ2 because if ASSJ/SSJ3 can't get the job done, how is an even weaker and slower form supposed to do it? I always thought the ASSJ form never decreased speed, and only the USSJ one did. Not to mention, where was it implied that normal SSJ Vegeta was not stronger than Semi-Perfect Cell?



SSJ	Jun 1 2014, 08:11 AM Post #21
Posts: 16,377 Group: General Member #8,258 Joined: September 8, 2012 Gender Female Country Sweden Favourite Anime Psycho Pass, Steins;Gate, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Favourite Manga One Piece, Berserk, Rurouni Kenshin, Gantz	From Daizenshuu 2: Spoiler: click to toggle While it clearly states that Gr3 loses speed, it only says that Gr2 amplifies power. Speed loss is not mentioned. So going back to the original post, maybe they didn't feel like they had time to transform? The Cell Juniors came at them pretty quickly to be fair. Edited by SSJ, Jun 1 2014, 08:11 AM.



+ Pointer	Jun 1 2014, 09:49 AM Post #22
... Posts: 7,062 Group: Elite Member Member #8,812 Joined: January 5, 2013 Gender Male	miguelnuva Jun 1 2014, 05:23 AM Wasn't ASSJ said to increase speed in the anime? I know Krillen said it does in the dub. I don't know why Vegeta and Trunks didn't use the form but I believe MSSJ conditions the body to allow the USSJ forms power into base so that your fighting at the SSJ form's full power while being a normal SSJ. Thus the term Full Power Super Saiyan. Nothing suggest that the mssj allows the user the power of ussj Mssj is a simple ssj form without any drawbacks on the body



+ miguelnuva	Jun 2 2014, 04:46 AM Post #23
Posts: 4,068 Group: Elite Member Member #8,291 Joined: September 16, 2012 Favourite Anime DragonBall Z What Browser do you use? FireFox Favourite Manga Sailor Moon	Cherry Jun 1 2014, 09:49 AM miguelnuva Jun 1 2014, 05:23 AM Wasn't ASSJ said to increase speed in the anime? I know Krillen said it does in the dub. I don't know why Vegeta and Trunks didn't use the form but I believe MSSJ conditions the body to allow the USSJ forms power into base so that your fighting at the SSJ form's full power while being a normal SSJ. Thus the term Full Power Super Saiyan. Nothing suggest that the mssj allows the user the power of ussj Mssj is a simple ssj form without any drawbacks on the body Conditioning your body allows the max ssj power to come into tge normal form. In my theory Goku and Gohan would not power up from bulking up their muscles.
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* Ketchup Revenge	Jun 2 2014, 05:18 AM Post #24
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	It's likely that both Trunks and Vegeta had started to master the form, but hadn't mastered the form to the level that Goku and Gohan had. Vegeta figured out what Goku and Gohan had done with their Super Saiyan forms when he saw them emerge from the ROSAT. We can only assume that he tried to do the same thing, but wasn't as successful in the amount of time that he had. FPSSj uses less ki than Grade 2 (ASSj) and is more efficient in ki power, so it's simply a more practical form to use. In addition to this, I remember a topic somewhere, which pointed out that Trunks upon returning to the Future after the defeat of Cell had the same aura as Goku did at the Cell games. This suggests that he was using the same form. Edited by Ketchup Revenge, Jun 2 2014, 05:20 AM.
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~~p123~~	Jun 5 2014, 05:15 PM Post #25
Posts: 2,148 Group: Banned Member #5,120 Joined: August 9, 2010	I don't think Grade 2 increases speed. I think it can be trained to, but initially it doesn't. I don't think Goku's Grade 2 had any speed boost. Vegeta and Trunks trained the form over the course of a year plus to make it efficient. Now a year removed from that training they lost the speed boost making the transformation pointless



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